tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post2983188278812630279..comments2024-01-12T18:29:00.527-06:00Comments on Thoughts from Polly's Granddaughter: Dissecting a Family Myth - William Loranzo Dow KeithUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-39001058080572144592014-06-21T00:49:05.219-05:002014-06-21T00:49:05.219-05:00I found this post through a google search. Also fo...I found this post through a google search. Also for a keith family member. His name is William Andrew Keith. I have no idea of Indian ancestry. I honestly doubt it. <br /><br />I do have one question though. In 1900 if someone were living in "Chickasaw Nation" in Oklahoma would they not have to have a travellers card as well?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01425454505538834399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-31272720366325698912011-03-29T11:17:54.130-05:002011-03-29T11:17:54.130-05:00Thank you so much for your help. I will most cert...Thank you so much for your help. I will most certainly check out the journals. Keep up the good work on your articles.Mr. Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02473393029600175769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-73597791087366775572011-03-28T12:56:25.442-05:002011-03-28T12:56:25.442-05:00Have you checked the journals the missionaries to ...Have you checked the journals the missionaries to the Cherokee kept? Not all Cherokee families are mentioned but some were. Because missionaries entered the Cherokee Nation in the early 1800s, they give us insight into people, family connections, etc...prior to 1835. There is no guarantee you will find anything, but it might be worth a shot to research those journals. The Brainerd Mission was one. The Springplace Mission was another.Twilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089424926707904002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-84661093973079240362011-03-27T21:50:42.889-05:002011-03-27T21:50:42.889-05:00As far as I can tell, they no longer lived among t...As far as I can tell, they no longer lived among the tribe by 1835. They lived in Jackson Co., AL in an area that was once reserved for reservees (not sure if I said that right). So for all purposes and reasons, my ancestors were no longer members of the Cherokee Nation by 1835 and therefore probably should not be called Cherokee at all even though they certainly carried the blood. However, they cannot be found on any federal census record either until 1850 Johnson Co., AR. We have always heard that when they had left the tribe, they kept a fairly low profile because of their dark complexion. I won't say they hid out in the mountains, because I really don't think they did. But they seemed to avoid the census takers. I really wish I had other documentation (because it seems that all who would call themselves descendants of Indians seem to have to prove to everyone they are), but the deposition is the only thing that I have other than family traditions. I have very few photos of these ancestors. So I really can't even use pictures as evidence. Really, other than my word and honor and the deposition, there is absolutely no evidence. This is not like my Choctaw ancestor, Margarete Ainsworth, who on her death certificate it states she is American Indian. Plus because of her heritage she was not allowed to buried in the Cordell Cemetery. In the deposition, it lists some other names other than Smith, I think Gallymore and Lee. Those are also old Indian names (I have read about them in the Tennessee Archives). Do you know where I might find something about them? It would probably be difficult to find much before 1800 and I would understand if you couldn't really help in this area. I just wish I could find any of them prior to 1850. I appreciate your help though.Mr. Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02473393029600175769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-71746846644078730932011-03-18T14:46:13.776-05:002011-03-18T14:46:13.776-05:00First, let me say I am looking because you asked a...First, let me say I am looking because you asked and I am trying to be helpful.<br /><br />Despite the testimony from Mr. Gourd, one thing that concerns me is that none of your ancestors are found on the 1835 Census of the Cherokee Nation. Other than the testimony from Mr. Gourd, what other documentation do you have that supports the idea your ancestors were Cherokee?Twilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089424926707904002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-37775393799243629182011-03-18T06:45:48.088-05:002011-03-18T06:45:48.088-05:00Okay. Here is a link to my blog page.
http://m...Okay. Here is a link to my blog page. <br /><br />http://mycherokeeblood.blogspot.com/<br /><br />I have tried to document everything about my family. I do not have much on this particular line. <br /><br />The documents seem to indicate there was Cherokee blood. There were some other pages and I will see about scanning them and posting them to my blog as well. Ofcourse John R Gourd was a Cherokee who lived in Tahlequah and was a member of the National Council. I seriuosly doubt he would have lied and pretended that my ancestors were Cherokee. <br /><br />Now I realize that it doesn't mean I can call myself a Cherokee by blood. However, I'm happy with being a descendant of Cherokees. <br /><br />This is just one of three lines that I descend from in which I have Cherokee blood. And I have an ancestor who was Choctaw, Margarete Ainsworth. So, I wouldn't call myself a "wannabe". But I also recognize the fact that I'm not a member of any federally recognized tribe and therefore out of respect for those Cherokees, I no longer call myself a Cherokee Indian, but a descendant of Cherokees (I used to however, so you may read older articles reflecting that idea).<br /><br />Thanks for your help.<br /><br />mdfreels (Mike)Mr. Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02473393029600175769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-88280686066801019952011-02-19T02:50:10.352-06:002011-02-19T02:50:10.352-06:00Okay. In my blog, I have posted a couple of pages,...Okay. In my blog, I have posted a couple of pages, but I will see if I can post some more, so that you have more information to go on. My case is similar, my Smith family applied for the land allotments but were rejected. The application doesn't say they were found to be not Cherokee, but they were not found to be registered in the rolls and thus, did not have any proof. Anyway, I will post the application papers and let you look at them and then post a link to them on my blog. Thanks for the help.Mr. Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02473393029600175769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-37701845707458825062011-02-11T00:18:33.058-06:002011-02-11T00:18:33.058-06:00I would be happy to look at your family, mdfreels....I would be happy to look at your family, mdfreels. Post the information and I will take a look for you and let you know what I find.Twilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089424926707904002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-44408148274582994832011-02-10T21:17:37.668-06:002011-02-10T21:17:37.668-06:00Wonderful post! I always enjoy reading your excel...Wonderful post! I always enjoy reading your excellent research material. However, not all cases are so easily solved. There are exceptions.<br />Perhaps you can assist me in researching my family? I would like your expertise with my family. Let me know and I will give you the details.Mr. Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02473393029600175769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-35304408117083693942011-02-04T16:18:15.759-06:002011-02-04T16:18:15.759-06:00Great post, as usual. I'm so happy that this i...Great post, as usual. I'm so happy that this information is finally out there, because so many beginning genealogists think that one needs some extraordinary talent to research Cherokee ancestry; when in fact it's as easy, if not easier than researching white families...WHY? Because the Cherokees are so well documented. In just a few hours you can dispell most of the family lore...You just have to resolve to put aside the family "stories," and go with the data staring you in the face.<br />Dates, places, names, and historical fact do not lie.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing!Dvine_Shayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07120606288741828335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-2920668563736363932011-02-04T08:54:54.483-06:002011-02-04T08:54:54.483-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com